The New Africa Twin Is a CRF??!?

Discussion in 'Honda Big Bikes Thailand' started by TonyBKK, Apr 27, 2014.

  1. TonyBKK

    TonyBKK Ol'Timer

    Back in the late summer of 2013 I wrote a wishful editorial, hoping that the rumored new-generation Africa Twin Honda was reportedly planning to manufacture would not follow the 1200cc trend. The new bike, which we might get to see at the EICMA, seems to live up to those expectations, as the first credible sketches published by the German magazine Motorrad show a liter-class machine.

    However, the Africa Twin we all knew and loved is no longer an XRV, but it will most likely wear a CRF badge. So, the Africa Twin XRV750 will be reincarnated in the body of CRF1000 machine. Will it still be the same enduring machine that can travel the world and still work fine? Possibly. One thing is certain, though: a lot of guys will miss the v-twin rumble of old.



    Want to read more? Full article: http://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-new-africa-twin-is-a-crf-80458.html
     
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  3. Ian Bungy

    Ian Bungy Ol'Timer

    Interesting Read there Tony! A Beautiful Sketch in the Article so hope it looks like that! Wouldn't it be Great to see another King Of Adventure Bikes! Most are all Too Big and Heavy in My Eyes? The BMW and Triumph 800 Bikes are the Only ones that come Close to usable?
     
  4. TonyBKK

    TonyBKK Ol'Timer

    Agree many of the big "adventure" bikes are far too heavy for any real off-road use. This Honda concept seems to tick a lot of boxes. Fingers crossed it will become reality!
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  5. rhiekel

    rhiekel Ol'Timer

    The large manufacturers have completely lost the plot with their 1200 cc " adventure" bikes
    that need three people to pick them up when they fall over on a rough road. I would love to
    see a lighter weight version of the Africa Twin. Some sized about 500 or 600 cc, and in a v
    twin configuration for good low end grunt. And with a weight that a normal person could pick
    it up themselves. Would love to see that in the promotional video.......
     
  6. TonyBKK

    TonyBKK Ol'Timer

    A photoshop in the latest edition of MCN imagines what a new Africa Twin might look like-
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    ^ Pretty old school, eh?

    Personally I prefer the concept sketch posted earlier which looks a lot lighter and more modern-
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    What do the rest of you think?
     
  7. CraigBKK

    CraigBKK Ol'Timer

    Appears Honda is finding it difficult to strike a balance from looking at the futuristic Vultus (Revoltus) and the styling of this model, which pays too much homage to the original Africa Twin. Or are they taking the name just too literally???

    I prefer the Ducati Hypermotard/strada styling of the concept sketch too. Light and striking.

    At least the paint scheme of the Africa Twin will go down well in Thailand! :thumbup:
     
  8. Ian Bungy

    Ian Bungy Ol'Timer

    I agree totally Tony! The Sketch looks better, the Photo Shop one just looks the Same as the Old Bikes!
     
  9. FrankT

    FrankT Ol'Timer

    The sketch version I would buy in a hart beat!
     
  10. nikster

    nikster Ol'Timer

    Just because you're paying homage to the old bike and using round headlights doesn't mean it has to look exactly like the 1986 bike.

    Willing to bet it will look modern.
     
  11. TonyBKK

    TonyBKK Ol'Timer

    More rumors, speculation and artist renditions of Honda's upcoming Africa Twin adventure bike!
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    Cool article here:

    [h=1]Has Honda Finally Aced The Adventure Bike?[/h]Next year, Honda will take the wraps off its new, large-capacity adventure motorcycle. Will it be any good? To find out, we talked top-secret details with a company insider.

    "The first round of prototype bikes are built and the second iteration are being put together now," our insider tells us. "By the looks of it, it won't be released as a 2015 model."The bike he's speaking about is, of course, the heavily-rumored new Honda Africa Twin. Apparently, it wears that name "right on the side" and will be called that in the US market too, although it could also wear the CRF1000L moniker.That name gives away the capacity, that 1,000cc, liquid-cooled motor will be a parallel-twin, designed to provide good torque and a front wheel-biased weight distribution that's ideal for off-road performance.And this thing will go off-road. "It's aimed squarely at the KTM 990 Adventure," says our guy. "Rim sizes are 21-inch (front) and 17-inch (rear). Spoked wheels and no-****ing-around tires as stock."What our insider was unable to confirm was the rumored weight, said by German magazineMotorrad to be around 200kg or 440lbs (wet). If true, that will give the bike a huge unique selling point. Even mid-capacity ADV bikes now tip the scales north of 500lbs when carrying fuel and the big, 1,200cc touring-oriented ADV bikes can weigh much more; the 2014 Yamaha Super Tenere, for example, weighs 636lbs (wet, with its standard-fit boxes)!

    Rest of the article here: http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/has-honda-finally-aced-the-adventure-bike-1579089171/+matthardigree
     
  12. Ian Bungy

    Ian Bungy Ol'Timer

    It would be so Cool if it was True? So more waiting I guess!
     
  13. DavidFL

    DavidFL Administrator Staff Member

    Still waiting but edging closer...

    A prototype revealed at the 2014 EICMA Motorcycle show

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  14. CraigBKK

    CraigBKK Ol'Timer

  15. DavidFL

    DavidFL Administrator Staff Member

    Some earlier suggested styles for the new AT..

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  16. KenYam

    KenYam Ol'Timer

    Sounds like its going to happen after all which is great but still not confirmed what motor size. Journalist rumours seems as if Honda will use a 1000cc motor, which is too big IMHO. Would love to see 600 to 800cc please.
     
  17. DavidFL

    DavidFL Administrator Staff Member

    More earlier gossip & rumours from September 2014

    Africa Twin Rumors
    Follow the new Africa Twin rumours.....
    The idea of Honda bringing the Africa Twin back to the market has generated an extraordinary amount of posts from motorcycle publications and on motorcycle boards.
    The rumors have originated from info on
    • “leaked” specifications about this bike
    • a patent from Honda on a dual air cleaner system
    • Honda’s renewal of U.S. trademark of names of discontinued Honda motorcycles
    • an interview with Honda’s head of product planning in Europe
    A set of drawings by journalists came out speculating what this motorcycle would look like. Honda recently announced a world premiere of an adventure motorcycle in Germany on September 10th.
    We believe the Africa Twin name, with its following and tradition would require something larger than a reveal just a few days before Intermot. But the rumors continue so let’s entertain the possibilities.

    Specs: Leaked info for the rumored 2015 (or 2016) Africa Twin
    Published by a couple of motorcycle publications in Europe. The info is claimed to be from Honda insiders and supposedly relates to a new Honda Africa Twin:

    200kg / 440lbs (fueled) // 180kg / 396lbs (dry)
    20L / 5.3 gallon fuel capacity
    Parallel twin engine, 1000cc
    100hp
    250mm / 9.8in suspension
    21” front / 17” rear
    Offroad-designed ABS brakes
    Offroad-designed traction control

    The main issue was that it was a parallel twin and no longer a V-twin like the original bike.
    Many speculated the proposed 440lbs when fully fueled and ready to ride was not feasible to be achieved for a 1,000cc motorcycle with a 5 gallon tank, packing latest generation electronics and equipped with off road suspension.

    Although there is no consensus of what an ideal dual-purpose motorcycle should look like, most everyone agrees lighter is better, and more power is better. Add to this recipe road worthiness/comfort/cargo capacity for long distance travel and we have the holy grail for a boundary expanding new enduro/adventure/dual purpose motorcycle. The specs on this rumored Africa Twin were spot on for most people, if they are feasible to be achieved, that is.

    The Air-Cleaner Patent

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    This is one of the most interesting part of the rumors – Honda’s patent for a new airbox system. It divides the aircleaner/airbox into two elements, one on each side of the bike, flanking the traditional tank/steering. It places the air cleaner where most motorcycles have the overhanging side of tanks. And it opens up space on top of the motor and under the seat (places where the airbox is traditionally located), allowing the heavy fuel to occupy the space in the center of the bike, just above the motor and under the seat. It helps in lowering the center of gravity of the motorcycle for one thing, and it facilitates air cleaner maintenance for another, an important item for off road vehicles. More on this further down this post.

    The Interview with a Honda Executive
    Exactly a year ago (at the 2013 EICMA meeting in November, Milan) we heard an interview of Moto.IT with Dave Hancock, Honda’s head of product planning and business development of Honda Motor Europe. When asked about the speculated Africa Twin, Mr. Hancock said:
    We’ve heard everybody would like to see a new Africa Twin. The official line is we can’t make any comment about any models that we are bringing in the future. But you can probably see by the look on my face that we probably will be thinking about something maybe… I can’t tell you when. But I think you probably will be happy eventually.
    This interview leaves no doubt about Honda bringing a new model, one that is based on what the Honda Africa Twin represented.

    Trademark on Motorcycle Names
    At some point last year Honda renewed (filed) the United States trademarks of names of Honda motorcycles that have been discontinued, among them Elsinore and Africa Twin. These could be routine trademark renewals, with no intention of doing anything about them on the near future. We and most others speculating about an adventure bike from Honda mostly focused on the Africa Twin name. It makes sense in our opinion that it will be called Africa Twin, since the Africa Twin name carries a much larger tradition and following outside of the United States. The name in itself could be the marketing campaign. But we would not be surprised if Honda brings something else to the market, and based on the Elsinore name.

    Source for info: I'd Rather Be Riding.
     
  18. CraigBKK

    CraigBKK Ol'Timer

    Based on the photos circulating yesterday, the rear wheel appears to be 18" and was running a Pirelli Scorpion Rally.
     
  19. DavidFL

    DavidFL Administrator Staff Member

    The rumour mill is still ticking over'



    Ready launching?
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  20. jimboy

    jimboy Ol'Timer

    Latest photos of the 2016 Honda Africa Twin just leaked...
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  21. jimboy

    jimboy Ol'Timer

  22. BJ

    BJ Ol'Timer

    More photos revealed about new Africa-Twin. Better photos have been revealed after Honda submitted them while applying for Australian patent. Been floating around for a few days now, but for those who haven't seen them yet, they show a fair bit of detail.
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  23. Goran Phuket

    Goran Phuket Ol'Timer

  24. DavidFL

    DavidFL Administrator Staff Member

    More has been unveiled vdo part 6..the bike in action

    http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/honda-africa-twin-crf1000l-leaked-video/
     
  25. DavidFL

    DavidFL Administrator Staff Member

    It's official from Honda

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    http://world.honda.com/news/2015/2150724CRF1000L-Africa-Twin/index.html

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    Main technical specifications

    [table]

    [tr]
    [td]Engine Type[/td]
    [td]Liquid-cooled 4-stroke 8-valve Parallel Twin with 270° crank and uni-cam[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Engine Displacement[/td]
    [td]998cm[sup]3[/sup][/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Max. Power Output[/td]
    [td]70kW/7,500rpm (95/1/EC)[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Max. Torque[/td]
    [td]98Nm/6,000rpm (95/1/EC)[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Bore & Stroke[/td]
    [td]92.0 & 75.1mm[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Clutch[/td]
    [td]Wet, multiplate with coil springs, Aluminum Cam Assist and Slipper clutch[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Final Drive[/td]
    [td]O-ring sealed chain[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Gearbox / Transmission Type[/td]
    [td]Constant mesh 6-speed MT / 6-speed DCT with on and off-road riding modes[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Honda Selectable Torque Control System (HSTC)[/td]
    [td]* HSTC 3-levels +  Switch Off (*ABS & DCT models only, not on STD model)[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Frame Type[/td]
    [td]Steel semi-double cradle type with high-tensile strength steel rear subframe[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Turning Radius[/td]
    [td]2.5m[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Dry Weight[/td]
    [td]208kg (STD), 212 kg (ABS), 222kg (DCT)[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Kerb Weight[/td]
    [td]228kg (STD), 232 kg (ABS), 242kg (DCT)[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Fuel Capacity[/td]
    [td]18.8 liters[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Length x Width x Height[/td]
    [td]2,335 x 875 x 1,475mm (STD), 2,335 x 930 x 1,475mm (ABS/DCT)[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Wheelbase[/td]
    [td]1,575mm[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Seat Height (STD position / Low position)[/td]
    [td]870/850mm[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Ground Clearance[/td]
    [td]250mm[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]ABS system type[/td]
    [td]ABS* 2-Channel with rear ABS off switch (* ABS & DCT models only, not on STD model)[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Brakes Front[/td]
    [td]310mm dual wave floating hydraulic disc with aluminium hub and radial fit 4-piston calipers (*ABS) and sintered metal pads[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Brakes Rear[/td]
    [td]256mm wave hydraulic disc with 2-piston caliper (*ABS) and sintered metal pads. Also Lever-Lock Type Parking Brake System on DCT model.[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Wheels Front[/td]
    [td]Wire spoke with aluminium rim[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Wheels Rear[/td]
    [td]Wire spoke with aluminium rim[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Rim Size Front[/td]
    [td]21M/C x MT2.15[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Rim Size Rear[/td]
    [td]18M/C x MT4.00[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Tyres Front[/td]
    [td]90/90-R21 tube type[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td]Tyres Rear[/td]
    [td]150/70-R18 tube type[/td]
    [/tr]

    [/table]

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    From ADV Pulse, how is stacks up against the opposition

    Off-Road-Oriented Big-Bore ADV Bike Specs Comparison
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    [tr]
    [td]Adventure Bike Models[/td]
    [td] HP [/td]
    [td]Torque
    (lb.-ft.)
    [/td]
    [td]Wet Weight
    (lbs.)
    [/td]
    [td]Ground Clearance
    (in.)
    [/td]
    [td]Seat Height
    (in.)
    [/td]
    [td]Fuel Capacity
    (Gallons)
    [/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td] 2015 KTM 1190 Adventure R[/td]
    [td]148[/td]
    [td]92.2[/td]
    [td]518[/td]
    [td]9.8[/td]
    [td]35.0[/td]
    [td]6.1[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td] 2016 Honda Africa Twin (STD)[/td]
    [td]93.9[/td]
    [td]72.3[/td]
    [td]502[/td]
    [td]9.8[/td]
    [td]33.4[/td]
    [td]5.0[/td]
    [/tr]
    [tr]
    [td] 2013 KTM 990 Adventure R[/td]
    [td]113[/td]
    [td]74[/td]
    [td]502[/td]
    [td]11.9[/td]
    [td]35.0[/td]
    [td]5.3[/td]
    [/tr]

    [/table]
     

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