What helmet to buy?

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  1. brian_bkk

    brian_bkk Ol'Timer

    While my Shoei helmet is out of action.

    Looking for a mid range decent quality helmet for road trips on the Versys.

    I have heard people say good things about the HJC.. but a common theme is.. The helmet is noisy.

    Any recommendations for mid price level helmet.. Will buy it in Bangkok.


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  3. DavidFL

    DavidFL Administrator Staff Member

    Indeed I too as thinking about this the other day - buying a new helmet, but not wanting one with a lot of noise.

    I'm happy with my Arai, but the price is still right up there.

    There are a few comments about helmets on this thread

  4. DavidFL

    DavidFL Administrator Staff Member

    Shark Helmets Thailand


  5. monsterman

    monsterman Ol'Timer

    Shark are good  helmets
  6. DavidFL

    DavidFL Administrator Staff Member

    Looking for a new spare helmet for the heat & I decided to have a crack at a peaked adventure helmet.

    The Arai Tour X Adventure helmet[​IMG]

    that I was earlier interested in 2 years ago

    Recommended Bangkok Motorcycle Shops

    had jumped in price from 17,000 to 28,000 baht - now possibly the most expensive? helmet on the market in Bangkok - more costly than the Arai race replicas at around 21,000-24,000 baht. Not impressed I did suggest to the Arai dealer that they were taking the piss with a 11,000 baht price increase.

    So I started doing the rounds in Bkk - 320SP, SKR Proshop, before ending up at Paddock. I didn't really see anything I fancied, until I spotted an O'Neal Sierra helmet


    & it was probably the colour that got my attention at first - blue to match the bike. Ha Ha.

    Then there was the price only 7,500 baht, plus multiple air vents + a internal sun visor. I had to try three on before I decided on the correct fit. Then I changed my mind to an all white one, thinking that I would let the sticker guy in Chiang Mai have a go at tarting the helmet. The box came, it was wrapped ready to go & then I thought again, better try it on with my balaclava to make doubly sure. And sure enough the fit was not right, so another change of size. 4th time round.

    A white Sierra


    for the heat & sun beating down mercilessly year this summer.

    A week later & 1,300 baht poorer, the guys at Monster Wrap in Chiang Mai have done their magic.



    but why buy this helmet?

    In the big heat this year pottering around mapping the old Arai is just too hot at low speed with the sun beating down fiercely on your visor & face. That peak on the front makes a huge difference when you're just chugging along slowly.

    The fit on the helmet is quite good & no complaints so far. The multiple air vents seem to do their job as well. So for 7,500 baht I think kit is going to be good value for money. There's a Bell Adventure helmet I need to check out, but I think the O'Neal is going to do the biz for me.

    Ive already tested the helmet out at 140kp on a loop up to Phrao - yes it is a bit noisier than the Arai, but I don't see it as a serious problem. The real test will be a week on the road next, at slower speeds than 140 because I don't think the O'Neal is up to the Arai protection standard, that's for sure.

    The helmet would appear to the same as the as the AFX FX-41 which has these proclaimed features:
    Aerodynamic shell design constructed using an advanced lightweight composite poly-alloy
    Flip-up, flush fit, quick release, single turn screw face shield with side covers
    Shield itself is optically correct compound curved, scratch-resistant and protects against UV-rays
    Shield can also be used without the visor with included side cover kit
    Smoke tinted inner flip down sun shield system with left side slide lever
    Helmet liner and cheek pads made with a hypoallergenic and antimicrobial nylon, all of which are removable and washable
    17 points of ventilation with chin, side, forehead top and rear vents
    Retention system is quick release with sewn on ECE logo
    Provides ample ear cavity space for most speaker systems
    A clear coat finish to protect paint & graphics
    Meets or exceeds both ECE 22.05 and DOT FMVSS-218 motorcycle helmet safety standards

    From an Aussie ONeal web page
    At O'NEAL, appropriate head protection is exactly what it really is all about! We provide you with an entire array of helmets made up of high tech components as well as the most recent in head protection innovation. O'NEAL Helmets are available within a range of the maximum of safety criteria which includes DOT, SNELL 2010, ECE and Australia Standard. Always keep your head in the possession of the specialists and place your confidence within the company that has furnished remarkable rider protection for over four decades!
    Shell is manufactured using ABS (DOT) or using Polycarbonate (ECE/AS).
    Guaranteed to Meet D.O.T. (U.S. only), ECE (Europe), and AS (Australia) safety standards and criteria.
    Extremely plush detachable and cleanable cushioned lining helps to keep you cool and dry by wicking away moisture.
    Shield is detachable to enable open face riding or goggle use.
    Modifiable visor design and style.
    A total of seventeen air vents assist in keeping you cool and dry for additional comfort.
    Durable and long lasting multi-colored clear coated graphics and artwork.

    Some GTR Safety Helmet info on an earlier thread
    The 5 Things You Need To Know When Buying a Motorcycle Helmet in Thailand

    Some other GTR helmet threads
    Buying a helmet
    Where to buy a good full face helmet?
    Full Face Helmet Suggestions
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2016
  7. DavidFL

    DavidFL Administrator Staff Member

    Some interesting informaton on Arai helmets at a plant inspection in Japan

    About the principle of ARAI HELMET
    At first, the lecture started with the speech of ARAI HELMET’s CEO, Mr. Michio Arai.
    He talked about the company’s history and principle briefly.
    Mr. Arai, who becomes 78 in this year, is surprisingly still an active rider. He is also a heavy user of his own company’s products. Their theme is safety and comfort, and they manufactured helmets with the principle ‘to make the better product than other companies’ even just a little.’ Though I will write about it later, the principle influenced designs and structures a lot

    Forming Department’ to pursue materials and structures
    The biggest feature of this lecture was that the participants could actually observe the factory, not just sit and listen.
    At first, we went to the Forming Department as the staff to explain guided. In this department, they manufacture the outside of helmets, shell body. The shell body occupies approximate 50% of a helmet’s weight, and it is the important part to absorb and disperse shocks.
    ARAI HELMET adopted ‘cLc structure’ or other structure better than that to almost all products. Talking roughly, cLc structure is sandwich structure. It is strengthened by laminating materials which had different characteristics and hardening with resin. Tough the important thing is, as you know, material, ARAI HELMET is particular about the material and adopted several kinds of materials including in-house development.

    In order to experience the strength of the material adopted actually, the lecturer passed me the ‘test pieces’ used for strength experiment. The pieces were 6 kinds, normal FRP, carbon, Kevlar, two kinds of FRP with super fiber, and in-house development carbon.
    As I folded each material, FRP with ‘super fiber’ which Arai adopted was very flexible, solid, and hard to bend, compared with normal FRP which is usually used for fenders of motorcycles. The price of this super fiber is 6 times of usual glass fiber, and the strength is three times. As I tried to fold the material called ‘super fiber belt’ made to be like a belt in order to strengthen more, it was very difficult for me, having normal adult man’s muscular strength, to fold it. Though it was just FRP, I was very surprised about that it could change like this depending on development of materials. This super fiber belt is used for the surroundings of shield where it is hard to make strong. Furthermore, those two material are used, one is ‘Dyneema’ which is even used for bullet proof vests, and the other is ‘Zylon’ which is said to be one of the strongest fibers. These two kinds of fiber are not used for all shell body but the top of the head made account of these anti-penetrability. Also, there were several devises like putting the super fiber made thickest at most in the chin guarding part to strengthen more.

    To cut the shell body, laser cutting by industrial robots were used. Laser cutting which doesn’t apply any blade physically could cut without applying stress to the cut surface. Also, the molds used for manufacturing those shell bodies were surprisingly made by their own company. In Japan, the helmet manufacturer making its own molds is only ARAI HELMET. The merit is to be able to reflect the design and adjust finely as soon as possible, even during test phase. This equipment make it possible to be particular about the arrangement of three types for one helmet. Now, by operating to mold-making machines in parallel, one mold was made in one day.
    After shell bodies were finished, all the bodies were checked those thickness or finishing several times. This check was so strict that even 1g lighter/heavier helmet than the regular weight was rejected as defective product. Also, the thinner part was repaired by applying super fiber.
    Surprisingly, those processes I wrote so far were merely automated. Skilled workers did those. In ARAI HELMET, complicated processes in manufacturing are not automated but mad by skilled workers.

    Particularity about safety
    Test machine. There were three types of iron anvil, plane, hemisphere, and edged. In this picture, it was hemisphere.

    Next, we saw the performance test of helmets at the test hall next to headquarters.
    They showed us anti-shock, anti-penetration, strength test of chin straps, and penetration test of shields. ARAI HELMET does tests as not only JIS or, depending on products, SNELL but also its own safety standard tests. Those tests are stricter than fixed standards. The test we actually saw was FIA (like F1) said as the strictest in the world, using helmets made by ARAI. The result was on passing line. Also, though the test is not fixed in SNELL, they do the test to make multisite impacts on one helmet supposing the real accidents.
    However, the lecturer said “These tests are for measuring numeric data in the same condition, not for recreating the actual accidents.” If the impact speed is shown as km/h, even SNELL, which is said to be strict is about 27-28 km/h. However, in the actual accident, it is possible to become 80 km/h or more. The helmet to be able to absorb the impact can’t be manufactured actually. Thus, there is ARAI HELMET’s ‘R75 SHAPE’ which is popular design principle in these days. R75 SHAPE is to slip and avoid and the strength of shell body to slip. As they were not satisfied with the test result only, it could be seen that they were also strongly particular about the design and safety.

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    Left/ Though it is hard to see it in this picture, there was a test helmet in the red circle on the top of testing machine. The height was more than 4 m.
    Right/ The result of piercing test. This piercing test was also used for the weak part, drain hole.

    In order to absorb shocks and reduce the damage to brain, the strength of shell bodies and design are important. Furthermore, the inner liner playing the role of a cushion is also an essential factor.
    In Japan, ARAI HELMET only uses “multistage formed liner” fitting the strength of shell bodies. Multistage formed liner means the technology to change the hardness depending on the part to use. It is supposed to protect heads by making the top part soft and the solid inner liner protected the forehead part as the forehead part is hard to strengthen due to the opening of shields. Of course, it is integrally molded. Among those who read this report, there may be some people to have some questions like why it is needed to change the hardness or why the soft part is needed. However, this is because of thinking about the crushed speed of inner liners when the helmet actually gets shocks. If it is too hard, the brain will get damaged. If it is too soft, it will not be able to absorb shocks. This softness is to change the hardness of inner liners depending on the strength distribution of a shell body. This technology is the very ARAI HELMET’s particularity, which had invented the combination of FRP shell body and inner liners made of styrene foam for the first time in Japan.

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    Left/ Shield piercing test machine. It shot an iron ball into the shield by air pressure like a real bullet of an air gun.
    Right/ The result of piercing test. I only saw the little dent in the red circle.

    ource: Japan Web Bike
  8. DavidFL

    DavidFL Administrator Staff Member

    Found some interesting history on LS2 Helmets

    The biggest helmet manufacturer in the world?

    About Us

    1991 - LS2 Helmets began its history when Arthur Liao founded Xiqing Plastics for just $500 in Shunde Guandong, China. Xiqing Plastics began making and selling helmets throughout the domestic Chinese market, insuring customer satisfaction and creating products for the Chinese community.
    1998 - Xiqing Plastics established MHR Helmet Co. Ltd. with the primary purpose of producing and exporting name brand motorcycle helmets across the world.
    2005 - As the business continued to grow, Arthur Liao and his brother Paul made a multi-million dollar investment to establish JIANGMEN PENGCHENG HELMETS, LTD. (JPH) and began manufacturing helmets in a 330,000 sq. ft factory with over 1,000 employees producing more than 2 million helmets a year, thus making JPH one of the largest producers of motorcycle helmets in the world.
    2006 - LS2® & Nuvo® helmet brands were registered and began to be sold and distributed inside and outside of China.
    2007 - JPH went to Barcelona Spain and created the TECH DESIGN TEAM to distribute LS2 helmets in Europe. As of December of 2009, 400,000 LS2 helmets have been sold throughout Europe.
    2008 - JPH became the only helmet manufacturer in China fully approved by the United Kingdom Accreditation Service and received full ISO9000* accreditation.
    * ISO Accreditation indicates that the company has been externally assessed and found to have a consistency of approach in developing, implementing and improving the effectiveness of a quality management system that enhances customer satisfaction by meeting customer requirements. This is an International Standard and ADK is one of only a handful of environmental consultancies in the UK that has triple accreditation encompassing Quality, Heath & Safety and Environmental Management Systems.
    2009 - JPH sold over two million helmets worldwide and reached a sales record of over $29 million in helmet sales.
    2010 - JPH reached a franchise agreement with Allwin Powersports Corp to distribute LS2 helmets in North America.

    Loris Bas was wearing a LS2 Helmet in his 290KPH MotoGP Crash
    Cycril Despres won the 2012 Dakat wearing a LS2 helmet
    Marc Coma from Spain won the 2015 Dakar Rally wearing a LS2 helmet
    Luc Ackerman, the youngest person to do a successful back flip on a motorcycle wears LS2 helmets

    All good stuff
    The helmet cheek pads are cut by laser from a single piece of dual density foam
    The company has Japanese quality control managers
    The production equipment is from Germany
    The safety testing hardware is from Canada

    and many people thought thought they were a cheap Chinese brand.
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  9. David Learmonth

    David Learmonth Ol'Timer

    I'm on my first LS2. Been using it for eighteen months so far. Most comfortable helmet I've had.

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