Why Sakhon Nakhon and not Nakhon Sakhon?

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  1. danwhite

    danwhite Ol'Timer

    Nakhon Nayok.... Nakon Ratchasima.... Nakhon Pathom...... Nakhon Phanom..... Nakhon Si Thammarat....

    Then all of a sudden you get Sakhon Nakhon. Why is that? Why not Nakhon Sakhon? There is no point in asking anyone from Sakhon Nakhon. No one seems to know.
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  3. NDSinBKK

    NDSinBKK Ol'Timer

    The word Sakon originates from the Sanskrit word sakala (Devanagari: सकल) meaning entire, whole, or total, and the word Nakhon from Sanskrit nagara (Devanagari: नगर) meaning town or city. Hence the name of the province literally means City of cities.

    The above from Wikipedia. I did not find "Sakhon" to exist separately in any of my reference books, nor can I recall ever having heard that word. Seems to be rooted in another era...

  4. danwhite

    danwhite Ol'Timer

    I'm just wondering about the word reversal from the norm.

    If you ask Thai people you get into a sort of Pyhthonesque "My name is some too much", kind of conversation.

    I guess its just one of those things.... Probably no reason.
  5. black cat

    black cat Active Member

    It's similar to why you get Thon Buri, Saraburi, Suparn Buri, etc etc etc and then Buri Ram. Buri, and Nakhorn, and Thani, and Meuang, and a few others, mean town or city. Sakhon Nakhon is closer to how it'd usually be said in english - Sakhon City, but occasionally it's reversed - City of London, City of New Orleans, City of Ratchasima, we just usually leave the "City of" part off
  6. BJ

    BJ Ol'Timer

    Just a thought about this from a not so educated person in Thai or English.
    BUT dont we say City of New York and also New York City?
    So why is it any different to say City of Ratchasima or Sakhon City.
    Just a simple question, from a simple person.

    Oh and while we're at it are there any Thai people who can help me with
    Pyhthonesque :)

  7. black cat

    black cat Active Member

    Yeah, in some cases you can say it either way, but in english the "city" part isn't usually part of the normal name - we say New York City to distinguish it from New York State, but it's usually referred to as just New York, whereas in Thailand the city part is part of the actual name of the place. A better analogy would be the various words for town, usually borrowed from other languages, that are tagged onto english place names, such as -burg(h), -ville and -ton (town). They become part of the name. In english they're usually tagged onto the end, but in other european languages they can appear at the start in some cases or at the end in others - just like in Thailand.
  8. danwhite

    danwhite Ol'Timer

    Buriram..... It had not occurred to me that it's similar as in Buri Ram rather than Ram Buri....... Same thing.
  9. danwhite

    danwhite Ol'Timer

    Actually NDSinBKK might have hit it. If Sakon is descriptive qualitative as in 'whole' or 'complete' rather than geographical as in 'city of' so to speak, that might explain it.
  10. black cat

    black cat Active Member

    Buri Ram (Thai: บุรีรัมย์ - "City of Happiness")

    So that's why I live there.
  11. danwhite

    danwhite Ol'Timer

    Again.... Qualititative rather than geographic perhaps..... language wise... Although I am guessing.

    You hang out in that bar on the crossroads up from the station past Speed nightclub?..... If so you might have seen me nodding off into my lager at some point one Autumn.

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