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A statement & thank you in Thai from Yoi for all you Thai forum members....
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| Posted: 18.08.2008, 22:05 Post subject: |
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| Davidfl wrote: | A statement & thank you in Thai from Yoi for all you Thai forum members....
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Many GT-Riders and friends have been following this story and have shown great concern in their thoughts, best wishes and in many cases their pocket book. I surely hope a translation is forthcoming so we can all share in the comments from the only person who truly knows all that occurred........
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| Posted: 19.08.2008, 12:36 Post subject: |
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English translations of Yoi's statement are coming, along with one other that Capt Chaos / AMA tried to stitch Yoi up with & totally absolving RR / AMA from any personal / corporate responsibility whatsoever. It would all be unbelievable if it were not Capt. Chaos (RR) himself!
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| Posted: 19.08.2008, 15:04 Post subject: |
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What Captain Chaos & Co. asked Yoi to sign when he got off the plane in Chiang Mai, after 19 months in jail in LPQ.
This document was prepared in advance without Yoi's knowledge, hoping to snare him on arrival with a non-Thai version. Needless to say, now that he has it translated he is not very impressed. The extremely laughable bit: "I hold him in the highest esteem."
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| Posted: 19.08.2008, 16:47 Post subject: |
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Here is a link to a story in the current City Life magazine which describes life in a S.E. Asia jail and gives an example of what Yoi must have had to endure, shameful! 
http://www.chiangmainews.com/ecmn/viewfa.php?id=2289
Also see;
http://foreignprisoners.com/
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| Posted: 20.08.2008, 00:07 Post subject: |
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That english language document is a serious joke. Very interesting to see that the "witnesses" have already signed it before the intended party, Yoi. That would be a tadbit pointless me thinks. But then it's intended to point fingers away from a certain party(ies) so that originator can act big. Pretty sad, but I am very happy that Yoi is out and back in LOS. He lost nearly two years of his live only to get another dagger thrust towards his back. Good thing someone was there watching it for him!
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| Posted: 20.08.2008, 08:29 Post subject: |
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are all the points on R/R document for Yoi to sign true?
does anybody know?
Honda Honkywill be back in CNX tonight im sure he could translate Yoi's statement
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Davidfl
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| Posted: 20.08.2008, 13:17 Post subject: |
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| happy feet wrote: | are all the points on R/R document for Yoi to sign true?
does anybody know?
Honda Honky will be back in CNX tonight im sure he could translate Yoi's statement |
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The doc Yoi was asked to sign was presented to him in English by RR's associate & pre signed. No mistake there, but the facts are wrong. Why Yoi would not sign!
Translations have been done by a professional translation company from Bkk & Yoi is checking them first. No mistakes there either.
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well if i was yoi and i was given a document in english when i cant read english i wouldnt sign it either, good on him.
david fl wrote:Translations have been done by a professional translation company from Bkk & Yoi is checking them first. No mistakes there either.
sorry for my stupidity, i didn't understand the above statement translation for what doc? Yoi's thai written statement?
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| Posted: 20.08.2008, 17:26 Post subject: Yoi's statement in English |
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A translation of Yoi's Thai statement
And if you're having trouble reading it. Here it is
| Quote: | This statement was written by Pisit Meesayaat (Yoi) to thank his friends both Thais and foreigners for their help in the form of moral support, money, other necessities, and for always keeping informed about my situation. I am so thankful that I do not know how to put it into words and do not know how to repay your kindness, especially the Chopper Club members who have been both friends and family, as well as the thousands of foreigners whom I do not know.
Upon my return to Thailand, I learnt these people had given moral support and help throughout my imprisonment in Laos. I am indescribably glad and grateful, and I can only say thank you to everyone. The hardships I endured in that Lao prison were so bad that I don’t know how I survived. You could never know what it was like unless you have experienced it for yourself. The fault does not lay solely with me, but I had to take all the blame. I was the scapegoat for those who sneaked away and denied everything.
I lost my freedom in Laos for eighteen months. If it wasn’t for the encouragement from my friends and everyone else concerned, I wouldn’t have been released. I admitted only to the accident. I was not liable for the legal matters relating to the car, insurance, and other things. I was just an employee earning a daily wage. I performed my duty, but the consequences were beyond my responsibilities. Was that right? I beg anyone to give me an answer. I lost everything. My business suffered. My two motherless children also had to suffer. My sister had to bear all the responsibilities. She had to take care of the children and the legal matters, go to Laos on many occasions, and she lost a lot of money.
The owner of the tour company only went back there to hand over the hundreds of thousands of baht to the victims because of pressure from many people. I still do not believe the claim that aid money went missing and was pocketed by the Thai guide since no one has told the truth. They all disappeared. You did a good thing by paying money to get me out of jail. And I thank you for that. But was it enough for the losses I suffered? I returned to Thailand with only my life and two sets of clothes. The tools of my trade are gone. My work place has been taken away. I had no place to stay.
You caused damages to others, defamed Americans and led the Thais to think Americans are selfish. I would like to tell everyone that it was the fault of two people and had nothing to do with other good people. I want the tour manager and tour guide to admit to and take responsibilities for their deeds and selfishness. Accept your responsibilities and I will forgive you. However, I cannot be liable for other legal matters. You have to sort these out by yourselves. Right now, everyone is watching you.
The damages caused were widespread both in Thailand and Laos. All of the immigration officers were fired. Mr. Nick in Nakorn Panom had his reputation damaged. I honestly did not know that they used the name of his company to carry out their business. I’m sorry. I apologize that you had to go through this ordeal because of me.
I especially thank Mr. David and his friends for the aid money, moral support, and their concern for my well-being. I’d also like to thank the Thais, members of the Chopper Clubs in Mae Sai, Chiang Rai, Chiang Mai, Payao, Nan, Lampang, Lampoon, and Sukothai who were worried that I might die in jail. I was so grateful that I cried when I learned every club came together to help me. The leaders are Mr. Moo, Mr. Chang, Mr. Beow, Mr. Nui, and many other friends. I thank everyone. I had no idea that everyone would attach that much importance to me. I am so glad and grateful I do not know how to put it in words.
Another unforgettable person is a Lao lady whom I didn’t know before, Miss Dao, the owner of a travel agency in Luang Prabang. I do not know her full name or the name of her company. She helped by sending food to me for a whole year. Another person is a high-ranking soldier named Brother Jai, who was also imprisoned but in an open cell. He always gave me food and medicine when I was sick. He sympathized with a Thai who was enduring hardships in jail. Thank you very much.
Last but not least, I want to warn any Thais or foreigners who do business or travel in Laos to be careful not to get involved in any legal matters in any way. It can be very messy and you can waste a lot of time and money. Let my experience be an example. There are many other facts I cannot disclose because I am under strict orders not to discuss them. Furthermore, I am on parole for 5 years. I am writing this statement with my senses intact and under no duress. Everything I have mentioned here is true.
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Happy Feet
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| Posted: 20.08.2008, 17:52 Post subject: |
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What a terrible tragedy, David if you can pass on to Yoi i have a job for him if he needs.
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SilverhawkUSA
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An incredible story indeed. Even more distressing is that I am hearing rumors of people here going in partnership or at least assisting RR in continuing to operate tours in some form here.
I can only say that I hope this isn't true. To me maintaining ones integrity and moral character far outweighs what monetary gains may be had by participating in any way with someone who has directly or indirectly allowed the above mega-tragedy to occur.
Yoi, thank you for maintaining your beliefs and sharing your thoughts after such an ordeal. It was a pleasure meeting you.
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| SilverhawkUSA wrote: | An incredible story indeed. Even more distressing is that I am hearing rumors of people here going in partnership or at least assisting RR in continuing to operate tours in some form here.
I can only say that I hope this isn't true. To me maintaining ones integrity and moral character far outweighs what monetary gains may be had by participating in any way with someone who has directly or indirectly allowed the above mega-tragedy to occur.
Yoi, thank you for maintaining your beliefs and sharing your thoughts after such an ordeal. It was a pleasure meeting you. |
there is only a small picture being looked at here, and the thread seems to be hell bent on a vendetta against R/R.
i have never met R/R by the way.
1/ Yoi has been through hell, but he was in jail for negligent driving and causing a fatal accident, i cannot imagine Yoi would have not spent some time in jail for his actions, even if bribe or compensation money had been paid earlier.
there is also some question to why the insurance money for the tour was not paid and this is still be be verified.
2/ the scaring thing about all this is the tour was run illegally as maybe 90% are in south east Asia for one reason or another, and as long as these Asian officials allow this to happen, then except bribes to sought out the problems there will be operators who keep doing this.
3/ most rent a bike company's in the Chiang mai area rent motorcycles without number plates and to unlicense drivers as most tour company's do too, all these company's are acting the same as the company R/R was using to do his tours, The only renta a bike company i know of legitimizing itself is Tony''s Big Bikes, so i feel this thread should be concentrating on the big problem not shutting the gate after the horse has bolted and pointing fingers.
4/ i know a friend of R/R had spoken to a 100% legitimate tourist operation in CNX with the facts that R/R had a lot of people pre booked for tours for the coming season, but nothing more was discussed.
So if this is what Silver hawk is referring to, i'd suggest the best thing for all if your concern was to improve motorcycling in South east Asia, Would be for a tourist operation with a 100% safety record and a company that operate 100% legitimately, with plated bikes, become invovled to legitamize R/R's operations.
wouldn't this be taking a step in the right direction for all involved, employees, customers, the other people on the road?
and i would hope they could operate there business for monetary gain.
i would think prevention and a step in the right direction is better than crucifying
this is just my personal opinion, maybe from a different prospective as i have a motorcycle tour operation. no offense intended
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| Quote: | So if this is what Silver hawk is referring to i'd suggest , if your concern was improve motorcycling in South east Asia, a tourist operation with a 100% safety record and one of the only company's to operate 100% legitimately, that would 100% legitamise R/R operations would be taking a step in the right direction for all involved, from employees to the 140 customers that would be properly taken care of.
and i would hope they would operate there business for monetary gain . |
No, my concern is not to improve motorcycling in Southeast Asia, although that would be nice to see. My concern is when an employee and allegedly a friend winds up in great difficulty and jail and the owner/operator runs off and deserts them.
I too have never met R/R. I would not know him if I saw him. Yoi indeed violated laws himself. Negligent driving could put you in jail in any country. This was not any country, this was Laos where the jails are notorious worldwide.
Forget about the tour allegations if you want. Yoi needed food, clothing, medicine, where was R/R? I made more than one trip myself to Luang Prabang delivering money donated by many who were concerned of his welfare as did others. Davidfl had to take up collections, solicit care from people and try to keep Yoi at least alive. R/R I understand is a person of means. Where was he?
If he was afraid to surface personally why didn't his agents/family/ company come forward and try to help with only the humanitarian needs if not the the criminal defense? Where was his statements or defense if he was so innocent. A man should stand up and face his problems/mistakes not hide like a rat.
Happy feet, you say "............ that would 100% legitamise R/R operations would be taking a step in the right direction for all involved, from employees to the 140 customers that would be properly taken care of." I say, Why the f&*ck should anything about R/R operations now be legitimized? It was never legitimate and his luck finally ran out. As in any sport or business that requires a license he should be banned not legitimized! Yeah lets make sure his customers are "properly taken care of". Are you kidding me? What importance is that in comparison to how Yoi was taken care of?
Yes, other operators should develop and continue THEIR business and hopefully make a profit, but surely not in any way that is going to benefit or legitimize a person who has the character of the person shown in this incident.
We get selective vision here when it comes to the 100% legitimacy of our motorcycling. Just read the reports. There are very few of us that are not walking a very thin line. Our "motarding" through villages, "road racing" on the highways, etc, etc. It is only by luck we have not been in Yoi's driving predicament. How many GT-Riders have been hurt and even killed motorcycling here? 100% safety record, for how long? Legitimate? Do we really want the Thai officials to do their job without bribes or deals? Shall we take a look at Big bike imports? How about green books and changed numbers as an example? Yes, you can insert my name any place in this paragraph and I must say "guilty as charged". But if I am ever "officially" charged, I feel I can say with certainty that my friends will be standing next to me and supporting me not hiding in some hole!
Sorry for the rant, and don't take it personally, but I feel pretty strongly about this.
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| Posted: 30.08.2008, 12:52 Post subject: |
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i'm not defending anybody, but i feel its a injustice to crucify R/R with unsubstantiated gossip.
no body has been more critical of R/R than david f.l. but he openly admits R/R sent hundreds of thousands of baht to his employee to take care of Yoi
so if you know something i haven't been told please enlighten me but i think facts should be forthcoming not gossip
Happy feet, you say "............ that would 100% legitamise R/R operations would be taking a step in the right direction for all involved, from employees to the 140 customers that would be properly taken care of." I say, Why the f&*ck should anything about R/R operations now be legitimized? It was never legitimate and his luck finally ran out. As in any sport or business that requires a license he should be banned not legitimized!
like i mentioned in point 2 while officials can still be bribed and as this incident yoi was brought out of jail by R/R what will be to stop R/R or somebody else operating in the same way?
same goes silver hawk your a good friend and i respect your opinion but i do disagree
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| Posted: 30.08.2008, 13:50 Post subject: |
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| happy feet wrote: | | i'm not defending anybody, but i feel its a injustice to crucify R/R with unsubstantiated gossip. |
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Unsubstantiated gossip??????
Look at the list of complaints against the guy.
Re read Nick Ascott North-By-North East's letter of complaint.
Fleeing the scene in Laos.
Sleeping in guesthouses away from his tour customers after the accident so the police could not find him for his illegal uninsured tour.
Jumping ship in Laos to avoid the Laos police & immigration waiting for him in Houei Xai = illegal departure from Laos / entry to Thailand.
Sorry but RR was totally irresponsible.
Yoi would have been out of jail in 3 months if RR had fronted up with money, & not run away like a coward & sewer rat.
He could not distance himself from the problem quick enough or far enough.
If he did nothing wrong was there any need to do any of that?
Totally disgusting IMHO.
In Nan province several years ago, what did he do when one his customers had a head on collision & killed someone. RR went & hid in his hotel room. Absolutely no effort or concern for his paying tour customer in hospital with head injuries, or the person killed / next of kin. Yoi & I sorted that problem out with the police / next of kin while RR was hiding in his hotel room. I never did anything / helped RR again after that shameless display...
Yoi pulled him from the wreckage of his car after a head on collision near Prachuap Khiri Khan.
Yoi negotiated with the police for another acident RR was involved in near Phrao. RR driving the white carribbean jeep sideswiped some kids on a motorbike. RR was negilgent but Yoi saved his arse.
Yoi's in jail for driving RR's uninsured car & what does RR do for Yoi - run away as quickly & as far away as possible.
Yeah yeah give RR a break, he's really a nice sincere victimized misunderstood gentleman. Absolutely NOT IMHO & speaking from 1st hand experience!
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| Quote: | i'm not defending anybody, but i feel its a injustice to crucify R/R with unsubstantiated gossip.
no body has been more critical of R/R than david f.l. but he openly admits R/R sent hundreds of thousands of baht to his employee to take care of Yoi
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It is my understanding that this was done quite late in time. That is why the necessity of collections and deliveries to Laos and a lot of suffering before hand.
You are entitled to your opinion as am I. No hard feelings, this is a discussion forum.
edit: Double checking my statements by reading prior posts, it appears the first time any amount of money actually came forth was July 25th 2007. Yoi was incarcerated in December of 2006. The money even then went into an account in CNX and according to the post did not reach Yoi.
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i'm not defending anybody, but i feel its a injustice to crucify R/R with unsubstantiated gossip.
this was in meant in the reply to silverhawk that R/R never tried to help Yoi.
i have been told R/R i a unsavory character and i take your words for that, but my point being that there is some hear say mixed in with the post which is taking a black picture of R/R, and turning him into devil like statues, which may or may not be deserved.
And honestly my opinion is if i was offered to take over R/R customers or any other legitimate company did i feel that this would be a benefit to everybody i dont feel that would make me a bad operator or person for bringing something positive to the table. but all are welcome to their opinion.
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i'm not defending anybody, but i feel its a injustice to crucify R/R with unsubstantiated gossip.
this was in meant in the reply to silverhawk that R/R never tried to help Yoi.
i have been told R/R i a unsavory character and i take your words for that, but my point being that there is some hear say mixed in with the post which is taking a black picture of R/R, and turning him into devil like statues, which may or may not be deserved.
And honestly my opinion is if i was offered to take over R/R customers or any other legitimate company did i feel that this would be a benefit to everybody i dont feel that would make me a bad operator or person for bringing something positive to the table. but all are welcome to their opinion. |
I really don't know how this can be construed as "unsubstantiated gossip". Read the letter from Nick Ascot. There are names and phone numbers of the police officers involved. Other facts are reported by people actually having direct contact with prosecutors and officials. Read the posts. Sure, each side has their own version but I think the overall picture is pretty clear.
As far as taking over a legitimate company not making you a bad person, I believe the key word is LEGITIMATE!
I think my opinion is pretty clear and I have probably said enough already. We'll see what happens from here.......
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Whether an insurance policy had been bought before hand, or, not; I believe Yoi would till have done some time.
Let us not forget that an influentially connected Laos official had been killed.
The insurance payout - if there still was one, as the company may well have tried to blame liability upon the driver, Yoi -
would have become the baseline from which backshish negotiations would have begun.
However, RR's actions of cutting & running the scene of a fatal accident, his customers and employee,
do not appear to have been satisfactorily explained.
Neither has the alleged fact that Manop absconded with the insurance dues given him by RR,
as well as money -again allegedly from RR- paid to get Yoi out.
These allegations, if they are proven, would certainly make RR a hapless as well as hopeless tour operator;
but IMO puts the criminality firmly upon Manop's shoulders.
If Manop is lurking in Hang Dong, as it has been said, then he should be brought to justice.
As for RR, I personally would not want to do business with him as he appears to be a liability on so many levels.
As a postscript...
I understand that Yoi has been offered employment by two board members who would like to give him a helping hand.
But he has rejected their offers.
After the harrowing experience of being incarcerated in a Laos gaol,
it would do him a lot of good to get back into a society by working with other people
and having some surrounding supportive structure.
I would urge that him & those he takes advice from, to reconsider.
As starting out alone in business, after such an ordeal, is a surefire way IMO to personal as well as financial disaster.
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| Posted: 31.08.2008, 01:50 Post subject: |
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silverhawk wrote:As far as taking over a legitimate company not making you a bad person, I believe the key word is LEGITIMATE!
there was no talk of taking over a legitimate company? i mentioned a legitimate company taking over R/R customer's
i think its time to put this to rest, it seems to my opinion all of the employees of asia motorcycle tours are questionable in there actions.
i hope tour company's allowed act in this way in the past, hopefully will not be allowed in the future, or people take ware a Yoi's statement below
Last but not least, I want to warn any Thais or foreigners who do business or travel in Laos to be careful not to get involved in any legal matters in any way. It can be very messy and you can waste a lot of time and money. Let my experience be an example.
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| Quote: | silverhawk wrote:As far as taking over a legitimate company not making you a bad person, I believe the key word is LEGITIMATE!
there was no talk of taking over a legitimate company? i mentioned a legitimate company taking over R/R customer's |
I misread your original sentence, I stand corrected on that point. Thanks.
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| Posted: 31.08.2008, 22:21 Post subject: Stay as far away as you can from Reed Resnikoff |
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Reed Resnikoff is bad, bad news. Stay as far away from the guy as you possibly can.
From his visits over the years at the Boat Landing Guest House, I found to Reed to be obnoxious, disorganized and deceitful. He is a pathological liar and in the end only looks out for himself.
HAVE NOTHING TO WITH ANY TOUR HE IS INVOLVED WITH!
Regarding the tour where the man was killed, not only did he leave his driver in the lurch, but a number of other people where fined and were threatened with disciplinary action as the result of him bribing officials do bring in the truck involved in the accident. He had no accident insurance and so had to bribe. The Lao guide on the trip was fined $100 because the tour did not have the proper licenses and permissions.
Reed never ever contacted the companies hosting his tour after the accident. He was grossly irresponsible.
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| Posted: 01.09.2008, 09:17 Post subject: |
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Thanks Willy i will take the advice of yourself and other members on this board.
Just out of interest who was the tour company conducting R/R tours as i dont see that information in the thread?
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Happy Feet
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| Posted: 02.09.2008, 08:31 Post subject: |
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the other thing Willy, if you could please enlighten us on this episode of the pick up truck insurance that wasnt paid and officials where bribed to bring the truck into Laos.
the hear say unsubstantiated gossip i here is it was the guide and service driver of the pickup who pocketed the pickup insurance money when R/R gave it to them to buy insurance. Which in term is said if the insurance was paid the pick up driver would not stay in jail for so long.
maybe somebody can confirm this.
where you able to find out who was hosting R/R tour?
P.S contrary from the phone calls and emails being sent by a member of The Gt-Rider, i have never been in discussion with R/R or any person to do with R/R so im afraid your Lies that im in business with him are just that lies, and i feel all who know me personally can confirm im a righteous person who speaks his mind openly be that a problem as it is in this case.
why shouldnt 100% of this information be substantiated and posted if any information is. as it seems the whole asia motorcycles tours crew maybe dodgy, from insurance to Yoi's tools being taken from his A.M.A work mate.
as contributing member of gt-rider public forum i feel that its a obligation to ask these questions if the forum is to be healthy and constructive
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