Is gasohol risk quantifiable? attempt to come to a conclusio

**Cruising** · 5th June 2011, 11:34 AM

Have been in numerous debates about benzine and gasahol and finally came to the conclusion that Shell don`t sell bezine in Thailand.

http://www.shell.co.th/home/content/...ucts_services/

**johnnysneds** · 5th June 2011, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Cruising

Have been in numerous debates about benzine and gasahol and finally came to the conclusion that Shell don`t sell bezine in Thailand.

http://www.shell.co.th/home/content/...ucts_services/

Yes they do. The Shell station around from where I live sells it. The pump however does state V-Power Gasohol 95. I got the missus to ask the manager and he assures me the pump is knocking out Benzine 95. It may be that they are just finishing off the Benzine and then introducing the Gasohol

Would be good to know if there is a quick test to check if it is Benzine. Is there a difference in colour?

**Cruising** · 5th June 2011, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by johnnysneds

Yes they do. The Shell station around from where I live sells it. The pump however does state V-Power Gasohol 95. I got the missus to ask the manager and he assures me the pump is knocking out Benzine 95. It may be that they are just finishing off the Benzine and then introducing the Gasohol

Would be good to know if there is a quick test to check if it is Benzine. Is there a difference in colour?

Thais will usually tell you what you want to hear.

Benzine is the yellowy colour and gasahol the red.

From this site here http://www.eppo.go.th/retail_prices.html Caltex,PT,Susco and Petronas are the only companies in Thailand who sell Benzine 95.

So there is enough doubt in my mind that i avoid Shell stations.

I use 91 Benzine,proper Benzine 95 should be around 47-49 baht/litre ATM.

**johnnysneds** · 5th June 2011, 12:20 PM

Just drained some fuel from my tank. Last station I filled up was a Shell Station (V-Power Gasohol 95). As you can see from the photo below it must be Benzine.. "Benzine is the yellowy colour and gasahol the red"

**Cruising** · 5th June 2011, 12:31 PM

It certainly looks Benzine Johnny.
How much per litre did you pay for it? it should around 47-49 baht?
I usually check out the price per litre before i fill up with the 91 Benzine just to convince myself that i am getting what i want.

It`s strange that Shell don`t mention 95 Benzine on either of those links i posted.

**johnnysneds** · 5th June 2011, 12:38 PM

Im not certain but I don't think the price per liter was that high. I find this strange also, but as you can see it looks like Benzine!!!

**Cruising** · 5th June 2011, 02:52 PM

Because Shell sell 2 kinds of 95 maybe they colour them differently?

I`d be looking for a Caltex,PT,Susco or Petronas station selling 95 for between 47-49 baht/litre (ATM) just to be sure that i am getting what i want.

Thats only my opinion,i am no expert.

**ray23** · 6th June 2011, 11:16 AM

Pico with the cost of fuel today it leaves a lot of room for carb overhauls ect. I went to Gasohoil 95 on the 93 Kawasaki VN 800. The previous owner used it before I had it. As a part of the rebuild I did I had the carb gone through it was not in bad shape and had 70K Klms on it.

So in my dream world you will go a long ways before it harms the carb. Performance is just fine.

**monsterman** · 6th June 2011, 09:37 PM

Ducati have changed over 25,000 tanks in USA due to 10% gasohol warping the plastic tanks its cost them $millions and Acerbis who make the tanks for ducati still cant find a plastic formula that works !!!!!!!ducati have a major problem but refuse to manufacture steel tanks so there are many customers who are very angry ,,,,,EU gasohol is a different formula at present so the problem is mostly confined to ducati USA .The class action against Ducati in the USA courts was successful but the judge unfortunately did not speciy what material should be used in the replacemnt tanks .KTM are also using Acerbis as fuel tank manufacturer and some KTMs in USA also affected .

Honnda dealers in UK have told me that when bikes are built in Japan they are filled with 1/20th litre of non gasohol for testing and shipping as the bike may be in shipping containers for up to 3 months and any residues may damage the system...go figure so the word is for long term storage fill with regular benzine if possible or drain the system.

**PICO-PICO** · 19th June 2011, 01:19 PM

so if I read correctly, Ducati doesn't use steel tanks...... for production cost reasons? Or for weight reasons?

If for production cost reasons than the equation would be =

Cost savings to Ducati p.a.
compared to
higher consumption cost p.a. to xxnumber Ducati bikers.

Who is the big loser?
<Certainly worthwhile to keep the courts busy at the expense of the tax payer>
Too naive?

**monsterman** · 22nd June 2011, 09:28 AM

Ducati officially say that its weight saving and that would follow Ducati Ethos in recent years that has seen an average of 10% weight reduction on their bikes added to improved engine power result massive performance increases .However the cost of the plastic tank problem may be impacting on ducati finances and customer base in a very negative fashion and they are just digging a big hole fighting in USA courts ,,,,would be better to return to steel for peace of mind even at a couple of kilo weight penalty .