A Honda sticker definitely counts for something around here.
A Honda sticker definitely counts for something around here.
But isn't it a bit strange that the new Thai-made Honda 500's are heavier, less powerful, weaker brakes, slower and less well suspended than the 20+ year old Honda CB400?
I don't think that's strange.
I've said it before, if the new 500s would be light and quick and look like a CBR600R they would cost almost as much.
Of course there are better bikes out there, lighter and faster, but that is also reflected in their price.
I think you can't get over the fact that the new CB500s are simple, averagely powered bikes and don't appreciate that they cost only 200K - which is definitely fine with me and I think Honda made the right decision. If these bikes would weigh 150kg, have 60 hp, adjustable suspension, top-notch brakes, upside down forks and killer looks and cost 260K I wouldn't be interested.
I've been complaining about too many expensive bikes with too many hp so I'm finally happy about an affordable quality ride.
There are lots of big bikes available these days. No sense in complaining that a 200K bike doesn't offer more than it does.
Actually the review says that because it's cheap you shouldn't complain too much about the low power, heavy weight and basic suspension... So what if it's got a Honda sticker?
Specs put bikes into a certain category. Higher spec, higher price, lower spec, lower price.
Once you are shopping in a certain spec (price) category you can choose between brands. Honda happens to be a Jap brand that most bikers like. For reasons I guess...
Mind you that Honda also makes higher spec bikes but they are more expensive.
Like I said earlier, these 3 little Hondas will be great value for money here in LOS. I believe that many will agree with me.
NickyBKK, I do agree...!
I like my glass half full always.
Any suggestions about racks, boxes and panniers if I were to get CB500x in January/March/?
I was just in at the New Big Wing Honda Shop in Chiang Mai. They have a Swarm of People Frantically working on finishing everything in time for Saturdays opening. The Top Brass there were More than Helpful and let Us in to take a look at the Many New Bikes there most still in Boxes. I looked at the Full Range of New 500 and Sat on them. The Naked one doesn't rate a Mention in My eyes! The CBR was a Nice Bike and looked really Small and I bet a lot of Fun on the Roads up north here. The "X" was Fantastic! When You sat on it if You closed Your eyes and put Your Arms and legs where You thought they should be You would be right on Target! It also felt light like a 250! Big Comfortable Seat, Nice Dash etc etc. I could go on but You get the Idea! This in My opinion is a Game Changing Bike which they will have No Problem Selling in the Limited Numbers allocated for Thailand! A Real Bargain Mile Muncher!
Good to hear Ian, could you tell us where it is please
So that means we all have to line up next month at BKK Motobike Fest at Central World (starting 30-01-13) to order our limited X?
I was surprised that the prices were so close together, only 5K difference. I expected 180K, 200K and 220K (especially with the Pirelli tires).
Is it only me or does the muffler heat protector look a bit - dare I say it - Chinese?
Hope the black version will be available - white bikes never did it for me.
I think about 80% of all parts will be Chinese........
I will take the black one too please.
Interesting discusion about the performance of the new Honda bikes. Actually look to some other new bikes from Yamaha and Suzuki (well not in Thailand of course) and you see the same. What I also see that in China are bikes for sale that look awfully like some of these new bikes.
To me it almost looks like these bikes are not developed by Honda, Suzuki or Yamaha but just rebranded and some quality upgrade. No hight-tech frames, no high-tech engines, etc.
But never the less the new Honda bikes will sell very good in monopoly Thailand where the price seems to be key-factor 1 (even in the upper-class market as the prices are just doubled to make it exclusive).
Personally I've seen better times and had 130+ hp crotch rockets worth ten grand, that's in the past.
I'm glad that quality bikes like the CRF250L and the new 500 series are available for a fair price.
To suggest that the CB500s weren't developed by the Japanese is ridiculous; the Big Four would never ruin their reputation by farming out what they easily can do themselves.
The Bikes are Excellent Quality the Same as My New CRF! See For Yourselves once You actually get to see the Bike in person instead of just Photos? I am still not sure where this Idea that New Honda Bikes are Cheap Quality comes from? Weird. Put My CRF beside My KLX and You can see the superior finish of the Honda on almost everything from engine and Frame Powdercoating up, the Kawasaki only gets Paint that wears off easily and quickly! Incredible that this Thread is on Page Number 6 and still Rambling on about the same untrue Rumours and Hearsay?
John, The New Honda Big Wing in Chiang Mai is in the Sunday Walking Street beside the Niyom Phanich Toyota Dealer. Same Owners of Course. Check it out.
Ian, sorry we never made it. Lost our dogs as we were leaving and spent hours trying to fing the little bastards! I think the Honda looks great. I was sort of tossing the idea as I spoke with you and Don las week of the ER6N and as you advised the Honda. Although lower on CC and power and stuff, the Honda is looking good. I agree, the X would be the model I would possibly pick over the Kawa. Mind is still in limbo over the two at the moment, but it could come down to price and value for money as I am looking for a back up bike for the HP2 as that monster is too uncomfortable for the Mrs. See you in the new year and a happy one to all on the board. Muzz
Looked at Honda Big Wing today - unbelievable - it's a very nice looking building and they put it up in record time.
The new Hondas look really good too, much better than expected to be honest. No CBX500 but they have a bunch of NC700X megascooters... if the 500s look better in person, the NC700X looks worse.
@Tony not sure you have much reason to complain anymore, Honda makes a CBR600RR if you're looking for something that competes on specs, and the CB500 series if you want something that competes on value. Admittedly they're lacking a new exciting model like a Panigale ... but I guess sales figures speak their own language.
Maybe Honda is lacking something like a Panigale, but there are lots of superbikes available - for a price.
Honda read the market right by offering two super-cheap 250 singles and now the more than fair-priced 500s.
At a time when most companies are stagnating, Honda can't build them fast enough and is pulling thousands of new riders into the fold. Smart move!
What's next? How about something between 24 and 47 hp? Maybe a sexy 400cc supermoto with 35 horses?
That would interest me more than another superbike I couldn't afford.
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