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are they still in business as the website is no longer running and a couple of guys from down in pattaya say the shop is now closed?
 

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HI Monsterman.

As you could have seen from this site Motozone is out of business but the shop is now called Xtreme Bikes Link removed
and run by one of the old partners Alex. He has promised to take care of Motozones old debts... He has put up his own message on this site a few months ago.He blames the problems on his old partner Cyril alias Jem who was supposed to have run away with Motozones money and staying abroad in the fear of legal problems here. Anyhow I saw his message a month ago on the Thaisuperbikes site:
Hey Guys,

I m back next month with a real shop and a real dealership ( brand new
bikes, parts, servicing ) only with YAMAHA stuff.

See you soon

Jem / Cyril
Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:25 am

"Cyril"
jembkk

Believe it when I see it, the dealership is supposed to be run under Yamaha France patronage and they will have all models in stock....

It strange how here in Thailand good looking motorbike shops which goes bankruptcy need a partner or an employee to put the blame on... The fault is never mismanagement and bad business!!!

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ANYBODY HAVE GOOD OR BAD EXPERIENCE OF Xtreme Bikes honouring the debts of Motozone. I remember that many people did put up messages that they have paid for bikes and books not delivered but after alex assured them that everything will be cleared everybody got silent. What is the situation now. Maybe Mr Degerth have inside information.

HIKO
 

Rhodie

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I asked Alex this very same question when he had finished his rebranding exercise.
He had told me previously that he had been abble to recover some of the debt owing from Cyril, but he was goibg to make good on what was still outstanding.
Under his new flag he modified this stance somewhat, now saying that he had paid off what he could.
Let's hope that they are better than Motozone.
 

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They fixed my MT01 perfectly, even after 100K of my repair money was nicked by Jem, they also sold my TDM for me with no hassles so I'd deffinately say they're making a proper go of it this time round. Good luck I say.

FixedMT1.jpg
 

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I met the UK guys who are behind Extreme at Chiang Mai nbike week , they seemed very enthusiastic, professional and knowledgable .
It seems the french connection ****ed them up when it was Motozone.
I have bought parts from them .

jerry
 

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quote:

Originally posted by jembkk

easy to blame the people when the people are not here to defend themselves when they r not here and not easy to defend yourself when you r not here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cyril/jem







Well defend yourself now - as we understand it you ran off with a bunch of money leaving the company & customers -some GT Riders- in the lurch.
If you are "back" then you should explain yourself.
If you intend entering the business again, you need to clear up the cloud surrounding you name.
 

berty_bkk

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You nicked 100,000 Baht of my money Jem? What were your words? Erm? "Trust Me"!!!! You told me bare faced lies!

Thankfully Alex sorted it out.
 

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Well , Iam sure most of you guys know the score. Do you really expect a yamaha dealership coming to Thailand with Jem/Cyril being the owner. Some how I dont think so.

I dont want to go into detail, due to other members of some of the forums getting upset,but I can tell you 90% of peoples money, books, injury or problems incured by motozone have now been resolved by myself and the team.

I will let you make up your own minds about Jem/cyril, I know something though, I was ripped big time.
 

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To Jem,

What's your side of the story?
As long you remain silent, you allow people to put the blame on you(and give a bad name to French people)...
So, speak out!
 

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Hi all,

well I am unfortunately one of the person that get ripped off by Cyril Rouhani/Motozone (Aka Jem, Marsura, whatever...), and one of the 10% of people that the debt is not solved by the new managers (Alex and Champ). I loaned 3 millions of baht to Motozone last year, gone, and I had 2 bikes in the shop (one MV Agusta Brutale + 1 CBR), gone ...

So don't trust Cyril, he is telling everybody stories and lies, that is for sure. Is he crazy? I think so. He threaten to kill me, "it is my last day in Thailand" and so on, but I am still here, and waiting for some action not words as he is used to.

I read his post that he cannot defend himself because he is not in Thailand ... That makes me smile, because he knows he stole all that money but still believe everything is fine and he can live the high life wherever he is ... If you read this, Cyril, I am curious what you have to say ... Just to laught.

As for Xtremebikes/Motozone, Alex told me that I have to go in court ... And he doesnt want to know anything concerning my 2 bikes, he said it was between me and Cyril, but I bought those 2 bikes from Motozone and they were in their premises, so go figures ...

Anyway,Motozone IS xtremebikes, just the name is changed but the company is the same, and according to the Thai law, they are responsible for the previous directors, so ...

I am happy that some cheated customers are taken care of.

Thai believe in Karma, what you have done will come back to you, so Cyril will pay one day I am sure of that.

Regards all.

Fred
 

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Sorry to hear about your loses Brutale?Zen Fred the Motozone ripoff saga is another sorry story in the annals of BIG BIKE business in Thailand.

Siam Superbike
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Motozone
and the people who are having problems with Siam racing :no books after 2 years and no customs papers so no registration possible and no refunds either.
 

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Hi All,

so Cyril/Jem is coming back to Thailand with a Yamaha dealership and a strong Thai partner ... hahahah. Good, so he can faces the police and the judge and explain himself.

His attitude is still the same, daring, but we are used to it.

Cyril/Jem is only words, no action. And if action there is, he will hide behind somebody, like his ex-girlfriend for Motozone or the new girlfriend/family for the new dealership.

I guess he will say it is a conspiracy ... everybody is against him ... A lot of customers have been cheated, and there is no fire without smoke ...

It is my last post, Cyril/Jem is still the same and he will not change. I don't want to argue with him anymore, it is pointless. Let's the justice do its work.

And if you want to do business with Cyril, make your own opinion.

Regards All
 

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There are official warrants out for Jems arrest, I think he has fled Thailand,hiding under a rock somewhere and we have seen the back of this lying, theiving crook. If he is here, I'd love to know where......
 

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quote:

Originally posted by jembkk

easy to blame the people when the people are not here to defend themselves when they r not here and not easy to defend yourself when you r not here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cyril/jem








Well Jem, I am asking you to come out and face the people you ripped off. You ain't got the balls have you. mind you, if I was in your position mate I would make like Osama Bin Laden and find a hole in a rock in Afghanistan to start your next Yamaha dealership.....
 

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Guys,
I have been away from TH for some while now (at sea), so i havent been able to read this forum. As far as my situation with motozone/xtremebikes and my bike, there is still some things to be fixed, but i'll meet up with Alex in a few days, and i'm sure he will be helpful. I'll update here on my progress.
As for Jem, i dont think he can shop up in TH ever again. Maybe under a new name and new passport. I happen to know that both cops and immigration are on the lookout for him. Now thats just too bad. So maybe a Yamaha dealer in Kabul is the only option for him.
Brgs,
Tom
 

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Never met Jem or had any dealings with Motozone, but perhaps he could join forces with Reed Resnikoff, aka Captain Chaos, from Asian Motorcycle Adventures, also wanted by Thai immigration & cops for his motorcycle tour stuff up in Laos, abandoning his Thai employee, illegal tours & illegal border crossings.
But as RR somehow managed to slip through the noose on the way out, I don't doubt that with the right connections you could slip back in with the right escort at immigration.
However, should either of them manage to do this I'm sure there would be a happy welcoming committe from some not so happy people.
 

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How about setting up a blacklist in this forum?

There are so many crooks around and it could be helpful to put them together in one file.

And I nominate Peter from Siamsuperbike (supposingly hiding in the Udon area) to be listed, too, no matter if some of you guys sympathize with him for being a nice old man to talk to ...
 

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quote:

Originally posted by holgerroth

How about setting up a blacklist in this forum?








Hmm. I forsee problems here. For example a forum member called "Jerkoff Man" wants to blacklist Mr. T bike for a spuriuos reason. Well Jerkoff happens to be a user name for the owner of Teera Motorcycles and want's his competition blacklisted. So how does one administer such things. I am not saying that the owner of Teera would do such a thing but you see what I mean.

I am told there is a whole subculture business on Ebay where people buy stuff from members and then post spurious negative reports. Usually the only way to get a negative report removed is to pay exorbitant money. I personally know one person who did nothing bad and ended up paying $1500 to get a negative report removed by someone who only bought $150 worth of goods and did not complain in person.

More positive is just to publish good things that happened to you at XYZ Motorcycles and let each member decide for himself. Most forum members get a feeling for other members from their posts so validity of the opinion comes with that feeling.

quote:

In ancient Greece, scholar and intellectual, Dr. Socrates was reputed to hold knowledge in high esteem. One day an acquaintance met the great philosopher and said,

"Do you know what I just heard about one of your friend?"

"Hold on a minute," Dr. Socrates replied. "Before telling me anything I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Triple Filter Test."

"Triple filter?" asked the man.

"That's right," Dr. Socrates continued.

"Before you talk to me about my friend, it might be a good idea to take a moment and filter what you're going to say. That's why I call it the triple filter test. The first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is true?"

"No," the man said, "actually I just heard about it and wanted to tell it to you"

"All right," said Socrates. "So you don't really know if it's true or not. Now let's try the second filter, the filter of goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about my friend something good?"

"No, on the contrary, it is bad "

"So," Socrates continued, "you want to tell me something bad about him, but you're not certain it's true. You may still pass the test though, Because there's one filter left: the filter of usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my friend going to be useful to me?"

"No, not really." Replied the man.

"Well," concluded Dr. Socrates, if what you want to tell me is neither true, nor good, and nor even useful to me, why tell it to me at all ."






 

HIKO

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PLS PLS

No Blacklist mentality, that is an old communist strategy developed by STASI in former East Germany and exported to Laos Cambodia and Vietnam. Everything is well documented but not transparent. Let us keep the old system by posting accurate own experience on the post by your own name so that no misstake can be made in the name of the board.
HIKO
 

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quote:

Originally posted by holgerroth

How about setting up a blacklist in this forum?
There are so many crooks around and it could be helpful to put them together in one file.
And I nominate Peter from Siamsuperbike (supposingly hiding in the Udon area) to be listed, too, no matter if some of you guys sympathize with him for being a nice old man to talk to ...








NO, this is definitely not a good idea to have a black list forum on this board to slag each other / businesses off constantly.

I started this forum off to help develop a motorcycle touring community, for riders to share tips & info. NOT to be constantly negative, run people & their businesses down. The aim was & is to get more guys with bikes out riding, sharing info & tips = a rider’s board, not a computer desk rider’s board to slag off people, bikes & shops off.

The goal is to be positive, help each other & make positive contributions, NOT be continually negative correcting people or advising what not to do or where not to go. As motorcyclists we don’t need "back seat drivers" or nagging mother-in-laws.

It’s a fact of life that somewhere, sometime you will get a bad deal. Alright have a bitch & complain about it at the time – you were ripped off, out smarted, or just plain stupid; but move on, have a life & enjoy what you’ve got. Don’t spend the rest of your time bitching because something did not work out.

“Alone” I’ve been bringing up a handicapped (meningocele & hydrocephalus) son, born in Cnx from a Thai mother. He is definitely not a full bottle, is incontinent, has wonky legs – can’t run. His Mum has remarried & lives o/seas; but we don’t continually bitch about getting a raw deal all the time. We try & do something - my son has cycled to Bkk twice, (even carrying pampers on his bicycle for the incontinence). It was not a problem & he did something, not focus on the negatives in his life. So far in both our lives we’ve had a pretty good time & try to make the most of what we’ve got – enjoy it while it’s there.

If your focus is the need for a forum to criticise / slag off / or run down people or businesses, then you’re not riding or contributing enough to this board. Don’t sit back, be a user & abuser. If you think you know more, do more; get out there, ride & contribute trip reports, please. (That's it from me on my high hobby horse: no offence to any board members.)
 

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I find it good and healthy that at times, very rarely, people let their barriers down, be it Monsterman or now David, both moved me deeply.
Yes this board is about motorcycling but what endears these tough biker heroes to me is they are after all human.

PICO
 

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Thanks to all, it's good to get some well founded opinions here.
As long as positive attitudes remain this forum will stay as helpful and informative as it is.
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