Thanks to the information given by the members here, we had a great vacation. The maps are great no doubt about it, David I realized a stiffed you a 100 baht on the map. afterwords likely story right :roll: Guess your just going to have make it to the Udon Bike week, to collect :lol: We left Chaing Mai at 0630 pulled into the yard at 1730 hours. Rode back with Tung Dee, the 400 got a work out, but held it's own. He showed me a different way back that cut three hours off the ride. Beautiful country had great ride. Kind of felt good to riding with him again. He is really the guy who taught me about riding in Thailand. Anyway thanks to all we couldn't have had a better vacation,.