Triumph Scrambler vs BMW GS1200 - a GT Riders' Bike Test

Discussion in 'General Discussion / News / Information' started by Rhodie, Mar 31, 2008.

  1. Scrambler vs BMW GS

    It all began, like so many unintentional & ill-thought out plans do
    - in the early hours and in a bar.

    Two of the most skilled riders here in Northern Thailand were up for putting these two beasts through their paces for promo shots for the upcoming Bangkok MotorShow.

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    Mark Rossi [aka Happy Feet] for those who haven't had the pleasure, is an Australian Motocross champ who has his own race team & school.
    Along with a Supermotard touring company here in Northern Thailand. http://www.transmotosport.com

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    teaching my son some rudimentary skills

    David Curtis the quiet spoken Kiwi [aka The Snail] who for those not in the know, is the best bike mechanic and one of the best superbike riders in the country.
    Nearly 20 years ago he rode from London to Singapore in only 3 months – “I was kinda in a rush" – on his R100GS.

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    This need for great distances and speed recently had him popping down to Singapore from Chiang Mai -2645 kms- on his Ducati 998, in less than 24 hours to see his Gal.

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    In the warm and fuzzy light of day, I wondered what I had let my bikes in for…

    The shoot began inauspiciously with attempts at getting some "air"
    on a small bridge on a dirt road round the back of the X-Centre.

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    David looking sheepish -for a Kiwi- having bellied the GS into the dirt
    and ripping the sump guard off.

    So we went to tarmac road and began again...

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    Mark was getting the feel of the Scram - a little heavier than his Suzis.

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    a little higher

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    David wasn't taking it easy, despite the lack of a bashplate...

    Mark & David
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    We decided to head off-road
    Well the boys did, I had to follow in one of Ian's buggies with Ian at the wheel.
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    negotiating past some of Ian's ATV buggies
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    with the 16T front sprocket on Mark was finding the Scrambler ever-ready to wheelie.
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    Oh dear this beginning to look like serious off-terrain road
    where even the buggies won't venture...

    Mark letting one rip down a jungle trail
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    followed by a slide
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    and another...
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    "This is a hoot - I hope he doesn't expect us to clean & fix them..."

    Oh no...

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    The Fonze decides on his line

    slides in
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    splashes out
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    He's lovin' it
    and get's Triumph Tiger riding Ian's [another Kiwi] help with
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    improvised reverse gear to go again

    more to follow...
     
  2. Lads

    Looks like lot of fun, thanx for sharing,, BUT what was the result for the 1st part, if more is to be come..?
     
  3. again
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    and again
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    David not to be out done
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    The light was going but David got one last run through in
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    before heading back
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    a bit of a race back - Mark & the Scram were really eating this up
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    emerging into emerald green paddy
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    bamboo & banana
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    back on hard top
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    first bit of traffic since the buggies
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    "Hey Rhodie! I've got an idea - follow me."
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    Uh-oh...

    Mark had been having a blast on the Scrambler & wanted to really try out the bike on terrain he knew best.
    Before I realised what he was planning, both he & David had turned off back on to dirt and disappeared into a cloud of dust.

    Mark surveying his MotoCross track.
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    He grounded out on the whoopies, but swung back on to a section with a jump that would give some air...

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    You may notice in the background David on the GS gingerly negotiating the track.
    The Beamer's OE rear shock was shot, awaiting new YSS springs that were being sent out from Europe.

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    initially he was taking it easy

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    before pushing a little harder each time.

    Again & again he attacked the jump, revving the engine like a 250
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    The Scrambler was beginning to respond to its beasting
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    Before finally getting some "real air"
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    The landing was hard and we decided to call it a day.

    But both Mark & David had enjoyed it so much
    that we decided to reconvene the next morning
    and attempt a few more 'skills' on hardtop.

    The Scrams first attempt at getting air that morning
    had been off-road coming off a bridge, where David had come a cropper.
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    Mark felt he could & would do better on the morrow...

    to be continued…
     
  4. I had seen that last photo as you avatar and thought it was a scene from the great escape...

    actually, giving your scrambler to Happy Feet to use as a motorcross bike, and getting it back in one piece may have been the great escape...

    I am not sure who is braver, Mark for trying to do that sort of thing on a scrambler, or you for standing by and watching... were you doing that thing where you cover your eyes with your hands and look between the fingers??? I would have been...

    Cheers,
    Daewoo
     
  5. Wow! Super-cool pics guys. Only one small critisizm - why do you plan all these fun things when I am cooped up in the shop and cannot come and spectate? ;)

    Rhodie - I admire your courage in letting two of Thailand's top thrashers out on both your pride and joys simultaneously!

    Cheers,

    Pikey.
     
  6. The next day and another good breakfast at the X-Centre.
    If they opened anywhere near the Kafe they would certainly give them a run for their money!
    Anyone else notice the decline in the Kafe?

    But back to biking and back to the bridge we were riding yesterday.

    Getting Air

    Mark, as usual is having a blast and rips down the road off a small bridge.
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    Again & again the Scram roars down the road the Thunderbike pipes giving a pleasing sound
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    David gets some speed up
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    But the shot BMW rear suspension is not giving him the confidence to really go for it
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    Wheelies

    Using the bank of the bridge, Mark has the Scram popping wheelies easily
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    This is just too much fun...
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    David pulls the GS up with ease
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    But the back end is far from firm and the GS squirms

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    Back Scrambling in the Dirt

    Mark wanted to end the day in the dirt he loved.

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    He had roared up a 5 metre berm or bank landing with a heart-stopping crunchhhh.
    Which had me too shocked to photograph - and I wasn't going to ask him to repeat it!

    Throwing the bike around a patch of dirt ground
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    Around any natural obstacle
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    In Mark;s professional hands the Scrambler appeared as though it was a dirt bike less than half its weight.
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    Kicking out a Rooster’s Tail
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    David didn't want to subject the GS to anymore punishment and jumped on the Scram as well.
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    And he was soon leaving a dust-storm in his wake.
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    Ian who was looking on was so impressed and in his enthusiasm even considered a Scrambler - albeit for a nano second!

    Mark & David had a blast throwing these bikes around.
    Both were surprised by the abilities & agility of the Scrambler
    so much so that Mark said he would even consider adding one to his stable of beloved DRZs.
    Both have promised after action reports which I'll post soon...
     
  7. Ha-ha. Great photos & looks like I missed something.
    The Scrambler in Happy Feet's hands certainly looks like a great bike to have, something I'd never considered before.
    But it just goes to show you - it's all up to the rider.

    A question I get asked many times about which bike is best for North Thailand. Well it's the one you enjoy riding most.
    Then you get the other regular question "is the bike good enough." Well yes, the bike is always good enough, it's usually the rider who will let you down & not be good enough for the bike on the terrain he’s riding.
    If anyone wants some serious off-road rider training, then drop old Happy Feet a line, or even try one of his super-motard tours. See http://www.transmotosport.com/
     
  8. Mark is a really great teacher having seen him with Richard.
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    You may get more out of it if you already have a rudimentary dirt skills.
    Having observed him on his recce rides preparing for his Supermotard Tours, I can heartily recommend them for his professional approach & preparation.
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    If you are looking for adventure, a challenge, and above all ballsy fun, then you will find no one better to tour the North with.
     
  9. It was Certainly Fun to See the Bikes Ridden the way they were. I couldn't do that on my Own Bike let alone on someone else's i had Never Ridden Before :shock: Specially considering Both these Bikes are in Show Condition and Booked to Appear the Next Week at the Motorshow!!! So Falling Off wasn't an Option!!! Great Stuff and Yes the Scrambler seemed the easier of the two for playing around and would be a More Fun Bike around this area But you couldn't Go Past the BMW if you want to do some Touring eating up the Miles at Speed in Comfort. Apples for Apples :wink: Fun couple of Days which i was lucky to Share so thanks to the Three of You!
     
  10. Utter madness!

    I shall consider offroad training once I've got bored (or fallen off) going round in circles at Bira.

    :)
     
  11. Cheers Dave
    V good meeting you recently in the S'vit off-road sois recently.
    Head north as soon as you can.
    Cheers
    Rhodie

    BTW A very big THANK YOU to Ian & Long @ the X Centre who made the shoot possible with support vehicles and great tucker!
    Sorry I won't be up in time, but Good Luck with the Great Erection.
    Fingers crossed it's not too slippery for you.
     
  12. In this month's
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    Mark & David making the inside cover...

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  13. thanks Rhodie for a great post and photos
     

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