Cb500x Suspension Upgrade In Thailand

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  1. Cruzer

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    Hi there!

    This is my first post on this forum, very happy to be a part of this community- lots of good stuff here!

    I was looking for some suggestions on suspension upgrades (both from and back) for my Honda CB500x (2017). My issue is that the suspension is a bit stiff and doesn't do well over small bumps at high speeds (common on Thai roads), not to mention the annoying 'throw you off your seat bounce' as you go over some bridges/overpasses (something I've only seen in Thailand).

    I'm aware of the Rally Raid products, but was looking for something that's available and cheaper in Thailand. As far as I know, you can only get Rally Raid 2 upgrades in Thailand, and I'm not looking for anything that expensive, or changing tyre sizes etc. 99% of the time I ride on road and looking for a simple suspension upgrade.

    As it stands YSS and Ohlins seem to be the front runners. I've spoken to a bike shop and Honda Big wing, here are some of their thoughts:

    YSS- more 'sporty', easy maintenance because parts can be shipped quickly from their factory in Chon Buri. They might also set your suspension for free if you visit their factory.

    Ohlins- 'softer', more expensive, but seen as unnecessary (both big wing (the tech guys, not the sales persons) and the other bike shop said this).

    While YSS may be cheaper, I don't know that brand very well. And while Ohlins has a better reputation, why pay more if you don't need to?

    So...

    Has anyone here had any experience with either of these suspensions (can be front, back, or both)? How much has it improved your ride? If you've had experiences with both YSS and Ohlins, would you recommend either more than the other? And if you've ever upgraded your CB500x suspension (to any brand), does your bike still threaten to throw you out of your seat as you go over bridges/overpasses? Any other brands/models of suspension you guys recommend? Any other ADV/Sport touring bikes with similar experiences please feel free to chime in, especially if you live in Thailand and know what the roads/conditions are like!

    Looking forward to hearing your responses!
     
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    Dear Cruzer,

    I'm pretty sure we have upgraded and modified about a couple of dozen CB500X by now.... lol.

    Not sure who you have been talking to as far as Ohlins... but we do sell custom springs for your weight and purpose front and rear in both Wilbers and Ohlins.

    We also own several of these models for personal and loaner bikes. Although someone destroyed one of them by catching the soft bags on fire... not gonna mention any names.... 55555

    Yes, we actually have in stock both brands for your bike, the $64000 ,dollar question is the correct spring weight, the correct pre-load and the correct oil weight and oil quantity.

    That I won't know until we chat....

    Our shop number is 098 275 2750

    Cheers
     
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    I've got the Rally raid fork and shock upgrade. It's made by Tractive which was once a partner of WP suspension I believe. Tractive make the Touratec brand suspension. It's quality as is Ohlins. I'm not sure about the YSS brand .

    being ejected from the seat was the main problem I had on the stock Bike. I believe any replacement shock that has rebound dampening adjustment (usually clickers) will solve this . But there's a lot more involved as Brad has pointed out. If I was to do the suspension again I'd talk to Bradmeister. He's clearly an expert in this field.

    Suspension is serviceable and should be serviced regularly although I guess most people don't bother. If you buy locally from someone like Bradmeister you've got the service back up you need.
     
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    Thanks Bradmeister! I might drop by the shop when I have the time! I've heard about BDS before seems like you guys know your stuff!
     
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    Thanks Lakota! Yeah I'm aware that refining suspension is more than just changing and thanks for suggesting talking to an expert like Bradmeister! Heard lots about rally raid for the cb500x, there's no doubt it's a good set of suspension!
     
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    Lakota,

    You almost got it right. I'm old and have been around Germany and Austria a few times....lol

    WP suspension (WHITE POWER) was originally an Austrian Company (1977 or 78) that produced Suspension systems for the earlier BMW, Husaberg, and KTM's. They did so well with the tech advancements of the 80's, that began to build for themselves and start an aftermarket brand.

    Numerous times they were controlled and sold by the major Bike manufacturers, and have even made forks\Shocks for Ducati, and Triumph. I believe they are currently Owned by KTM.

    As far as Tractiva, I believe they just came on the "suspension scene" around 2009.2010. I believe they were former engineers and employee's of WP, (when the company uprooted again from the Nederland's) and yes, Touratech has a piece of that pie and I believe Rally raid also was an offshoot, as they also came on the scene around 2009/2010.

    Touratech, has been buying small companies, garage inventors ideas and patents for a long time now...(Since the late 90"s) .some items have remained quality, others..... well, you know.

    As far as our experience with WP, Ohlins, Wilbers, it's unsurpassed!
    those are pretty serious companies that have been in the suspension business for over 40+ years. I'd say they pretty much have figured it out, and are constanly spending big bucks on R&D.

    Even if we line up HyperPro, Penske, very good quality, almost as good as Nitron and Hagon, we just cant get them services in South East Asia.

    As far as service, Ohlins is in our back yard, here in Thailand. Wilbers has a major Service Center in Singapore.... So, this is why our compnay choose Legends, Ohlins and Wilbers.
    Accordingly, we service all of our customers front forks every 2 years and are happy to overhaul your Ohlins or Wilbers every 5 years as prescribed by the Manufactuers.

    Any questions at all, feel free to contact us.

    Cheers
     
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    I'm running a suspension set up by Brad at BDS & am more than happy with it on my Vstrom; and you're totally right suspension should be serviceable locally and done regularly as Brad says.
     
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    Sorry to jump in on someone else's thread, Brad, BDS do you do suspension for CRF250L or only cb500x?
     
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    #9 bradmeister, Aug 28, 2019
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    We service all American, German, Austrian and Japanese motorcycles and yes, we do standard overhaul and special mods on CRF250, 250L and 250 Rally's. Spring Rate, spring rate, and oh yes, It's all about spring rates!

    WE DO NOT SERVICE CHINESE BIKES.

    We also do a lot of service Via Post Office as Kluay Nam Thai Post office is right next store. So, as David mentioned, alot of folks send us in they're Shocks and Fork Legs, we overhaul and return upon any customers request.

    Cheers

    best OF tIMES.
     
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    Addendum:

    We also service most Ducatis and Triumph's as well.... Especially The really expensive ones! lol.

    Cheers
     
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    Hey David!

    I noticed you've had a lot of experience with different suspension set ups and different brands... care to share your overall impressions of them? Of particular interest to me are YSS and Ohlins because they've got factories in Thailand.

    I also know that setting the suspension is one of the more critical aspects of suspension, but aside from that, what about your experience with durability? What set up are you currently using on your v strom and how often do you get it serviced? Would you recommend getting one brand over another?
     
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    #12 DavidFL, Aug 30, 2019
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    In my experience riding here, and for the riding I do they all needed rebuilding after 25,000 kms.
    Both Nitron in Malaysia & Ohlins in Bkk suggested that in my case even the rebuild might need to be done earlier.
    When I took my custom built NItron shock down to KL for a free rebuild, they said they had never ever seen such dirty oil coming out of one of their shocks! What was I doing & where was I riding? Just my regular rides in Laos & in North Thailand. And the point should be noted that when you tour around the region Thailand / Laos / China / Cambodia / Vietnam, you are not riding on billiard table road surfaces. On bumpy roads here your suspension is working all the time, & in the hot season road temperatures are way up there 50 plus. This is not the EU or the USA. So, if you ride long & regularly on the bumpy road surfaces here., don't expect them to last more than 40,000 kms max & stay plush forever.

    Mike Gagne just had his YSS shock blow in Laos at just on 25,000 kms.

    YSS & Ohlins can be serviced in Bkk.
    The Ohlins turn around is at least 10 days.
    The YSS turn around can be less I think.

    Personally I prefer to deal with the farang at Ohlins, or Brad at BDS. Brad is a professional suspension tuning guru & has done consultancy work for most of the big bike dealers here setting their bikes up. Brad also charges "farang prices," however most people tend to agree you get what you pay for.
    YSS has Greg Smith managing their race team suspension & he is extremely knowledgeable too, but he is not in the sales & service department.

    Getting the right spring is very important & then the right set up.
    If you're a 100kg farang, you don't really want a standard spring for a 65-70kg Thai rider, that comes with the bike on the showroom floor. I seem to recall that my OEM Vstrom spring was knackered at 40,000 kms.

    If you're in Chiang Rai the guys at Today Moto are supposed to be the suspension tuning experts, being involved with the local sport bike & racing scene.
    In Chiang Mai CMS seem to be the local experts.

    If you don't go for YSS or Ohlins, then your next best bet is Nitron in Malaysia, because they assemble Nitron shocks there & will custom build a shock for you.
    You can get the shock serviced there, on the spot if you book ahead.I witnessed mine being rebuilt on the premises.

    See also
    Motorcycle Suspension - What Are You Using / Where To Buy?

    Tweaking my Versys

    YSS Shocks - Made in Thailand

    A Suspension Rebuild & Tune Up For My Vstrom

    Tweaking my Suzuki V Strom 650
     
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    David this is all very helpful stuff thank you! I might go pay Brad a visit I've heard enough hype to warrant one!
     

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